TI4: Closing words from Era & Fnatic
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  • louyt louyt
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 02:55

    In the end this looks like Era will need to decide what he feels is best for him and hope the team can understand,

  • shiki shiki
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 03:01

    Valve DID post these e-mails for everyone to see: they can be read here - (http://cdn.dota2.com/apps/dota2/posts/fnaticemailupdated.txt) They added these emails hours before your post. There is also at least one more additional e-mail from them that you neglected to post.

  • Inz Inz
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 14:01

    Read the intro of the post again.

  • DonGrisu DonGrisu
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 03:15
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  • Hagen Hagen
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 10:39

    Psychological issues do not just go away "after a little bit of crisis." The doctor recommended him to stay away from games for the entire summer. How do you figure he was ready?

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  • dzhalagash dzhalagash
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 13:25
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  • Mujio Mujio
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 05:35

    I agree with Valve's decision. Had Fnatic let them know before the qualifiers, I believe Valve would've allowed the roster change in exchange that Fnatic gets bumped down competing in the qualifiers (like with LGD last year). But by delaying the decision of replacing Era, they made a huge hassle for the players involved and for Valve. The main factor here is time: for Fnatic to ask for a roster change AFTER the invitations were sent (EG had let Valve know Fear may be unable to play and that Mason was their stand-in before the invites) mere weeks before the playoffs and the main event is asking a lot. If the International--the biggest tournament of DotA 2 and possibly all of E-sports-- does not abide by their own standards and give Fnatic a break, it would be setting a bad example.

    Fnatic needs to take responsibility for their own mistakes. Although I do hope Era is well enough to compete at TI4. It would make a legendary story

  • EHOME EHOME
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 05:53

    this fnatic "manager" is really bad at his job.
    and this post where you tying to make valve look bad only make me disappointed with you. i just hope the guys will leave this team after ti and get a better organisation, with professional management where managers dont talk behind players back.

  • Inz Inz
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 14:03

    Entire point of this was that no one was talking behind players backs :)

  • Nick_Sensei Nick_Sensei
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 06:43

    I can't believe so many are against fnatic. They handled this professionally imo. I feel like most of you didn't even read it! The only reason valve should have these strict rules is for fairness of teams/players and qualified skilled teams. Both of which Excalibur brings. Era is okay with it because he would be hurting his team by playing and he knows it. And he also gets rewarded for performance. And Excalibur has proven his skill. Also if anyone's being manipulative it was valve. Not everyone read the extra emails, the ones they included were way organized and featured in a manipulative fashion. Why am I arguing with you guys actually... Read the post and all the facts... Ffs

  • Pardal Pardal
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 08:47

    I think the same way! I am pretty sure most people didnt even read the full article, it's senseles so many people are against them.

  • Ciaviel Ciaviel
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 06:45

    Wow this turned ugly fast... I am way beyond caring who is right and who is wrong but at this point we are all losers. The one thing that pisses me off though is the fact that this mess is carried out on Eras back (no pun intended). The guy is 18 years old... I can't even imagine how that would feel even to a person whos older and doesn't have that condition... I would rather see fnatic not attend than see Era harm himself over this.

    But as I said we are all losers. Firstly the fans of fnatic because we probably won't see our favorite team in top shape and DotA 2 fans in general because we will miss out on some great games.

    Secondly the fnatic squad who pulled through some rough times ever since switching to DotA 2.

    And finally both of your companies. This public bitchfight is a disgrace and should not have happened. And honestly why did it have to come to this? Sure the fnatic organisation looks kind of shady in all of this but everyone could've profited.

    Excalibur has shown that he can be a great asset for the team so we couldve expected some high level DotA. That's something Valve wants. This whole shitstorm could've been avoided. Both fnatic and Valve should want this. Eras condition would not have been made public. We all should want this.

    I don't really know how I feel about fnatic right now, time will tell. But the one thing I am absolutely certain about is that the whole ruleset with no substitutions (which was brought up before) is a mess and Valve should seriously look into that.

    I just hope we can close this sad chapter sooner or later and concentrate on what's most important and that's Eras health.

  • Lady Synn Lady Synn
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 06:46

    I understand what Era is going through because I have had the same problems and I know that anxiety is a nightmare. I hope he will recover as soon as possible , my message to him is this : Everything that goes on in our mind that we are aware of, we can control; we are able to do that no matter how weak and powerless we feel, what begins in our mind can be ended by our mind there's no doubt about it, I got well by convincing myself that the fear is not real because there is no danger, and what is not real cannot hurt me, when I started to panic I asked myself "is there a reason to be afraid? no. so stop" I did this every time since the first feeling that an attack will occur and eventually the attacks weakened then disappeared completely. I strongly hope my message gets to Era and I hope it can help him. Good luck , mate!

  • CrystalMaiden CrystalMaiden
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 07:23

    this wall of text is just making this situation worse. You guys handled this situation poorly. the correct way to deal with it was to let it go. and not say anything.

  • BuZ BuZ
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 08:42

    This post is only making things worse for you. Best thing you could do was to let it go because Valve only did (this "broken confidentiality thing") what you forced them to do.

    - First blog post, you try to make Valve look like the bad guy of the story. And you throw your player under the bus, litteraly destroying his private life.
    - Valve's response makes you the bad guys of the story in the eyes of everyone.
    - You send a ridiculous tweet before deleting it.
    - And now your response is only this ? cArn, your image as "CGO at Fnatic" after all this will take a heavy hit...sorry but you picked up a fight with Valve and lost by K.O :/

  • zvermix zvermix
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 09:21

    What was the ridiculous deleted tweet?

  • dzhalagash dzhalagash
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 13:28
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  • dzhalagash dzhalagash
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 13:28

    Totally agree.

  • BuZ BuZ
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 09:27

    http://i.imgur.com/LAyS6Yl.png

  • DominicA DominicA
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 09:42

    Well the tweet isnt ridiculous as Valve omitted a fair amount of important emails from the blog they posted.

  • dzhalagash dzhalagash
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 13:30

    No they didn't, with the post was linked a complimentary file with the other emails.

  • oaeide oaeide
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 15:04

    " We missed a few emails and have added it to the archive."

  • Atlesia Atlesia
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 10:21

    I don't know if anyone of direct importance to the team will read this, but I feel obliged to post this.

    Era, as an also mentally problemed dota2 player, I have to say: Please don't play at the TI unless you feel 150% able to compete and your doctor(s) allow it.

    I know that little mistakes can cost much regarding mental issues and with all that pressure on you, I hope you stay save and take a break - For your own, your family's, your friend's and your team's sake.
    The reasoning behind is: Let's imagine you compete at TI not fully recovered:

    1. You'll be likely to underperform a bit, because you weren't able to train much (with the others)
    2. You risk to put a dent into your own gaming carreer, probably needing to take another break past TI - or even worse.
    3. It may even be the best for your team to not have you compete - I know it sounds weird, but hear me out:
    You five have been playing together more than any other active professional dota2 roster (from what I know) and I strongly assume that this lead to a probably even good friendship.
    I think what they probably want even more than competing at TI is competing together with YOU. As you said already, going to TI will put you at risk being unable to play after TI. Sure the chain of events leading to this situation (meaning the communication between fnatic and valve), lead to you being under pressure as well, but please, do yourself, your family, your friends and team, the organisation and especially your fans a favour and complete your recovery before jumping into competing.

    I think I speak for most fans that we want to see the whole fnatic competing together again and we will wait for you to have recovered if so needed. We won't be disappointed if you don't compete in TI. And especially I think it would be very said, if you jump into TI, underperfom leading to a failure of fnatic an TI, hurting you even more and in the worst case of you needing to retire and lose the way of life you seem to love so much.

    I for myself did the mistake of giving myself up for others leading to a lot of suffering for myself and even for them - I hope for you, you don't do the same mistake.

    Era, we love you and care for you

  • crazybear38 crazybear38
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 11:34

    After reading what Valve wrote and all the emails in their "updated" blog as well as on this site I think Fanatic has really tried their best for all parties concerned. I have no words to describe the situation that Valve has put you in and if any people reading this can't see the enormous rock/hard place and how differently they treated Fanatic compared to EG then please reread all the emails, they have their point of view true but they are being completely unfair and inflexible.

    Era is not and should not be put in the position to make decisions in these circumstances, it puts undue pressure on him and his health you've got to decide together and accept responsibility together to take the pressure from him. As a team if you do decide to go with Era which it looks like you are being forced to do and I'm sure Era doesn't want to let anyone down on the team and will force himself than ask Valve to pay additional expense of bring over a theapist with you. Its the bleeping least they can do after causing this and this will I'm sure will exercises and sessions be able to help Era through.

    It is worth going even just for the experience EVEN if your results suffer, the International this year is huge and you guys have been a major part of building this community into what it is. It would be criminal if you weren't there to enjoy it as much as you can.

    Best of luck, take care of yourselves and Era, and fuck valve they've been assholes over this.

  • Thinkaboutit Thinkaboutit
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 15:05

    Straight and clear, Valve have done absolutely everything correct in this quite serious side. Once era was cleared to play by the doctor, be it how small it was made, then fnatic haven't a food to stand on. Fnatic have the audacity to try and change line up even though! The original player is now healthy enough to play is beyond me! Not only is it selfish thinking of the managers part but the players on fnatic look extremely silly over this ordeal. Then the manager trying to make valve look bad, hahahah. Amusing, I cannot understand how fnatic ever thought this would work. This is unfair to the other teams participating! They have strategies against certain players and for fnatic to think they can change players is ludicrous . It is also a hassle for valve to change everything around because fnatic want a better chance at winning the tournament. Selfish selfish selfish, there is no rebuttal to this. End of discussion

  • Hagen Hagen
    Posted Jun 28, 2014 at 16:40

    Era was never cleared to play, didn't you read? He was urged to rest the entire summer.

  • Lady Synn Lady Synn
    Posted Jun 29, 2014 at 08:50

    I am so sad and so sorry for Era, I don't know what to believe ... Some say that Fnatic wanted Era out and tried to exaggerate his illness in order to have him replaced (to understand what I'm saying you have to read Era's e-mail to Valve); of course , later he did apologize for it saying he was in a frustrated, confused mental state ... that statement might seem forced out of him, I don't know.. I couldn't believe this, I don't want to. It seems preposterous , don't you think?

  • Q3gun Q3gun
    Posted Jul 01, 2014 at 11:47

    Era just get better, recover please! You are so young, and many internationals and its future competitors will come. But theres only one Era. health is #1 thing to be able to be that Era